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Danika Princip
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Posted - 2014.06.21 07:24:00 -
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Problem: Highsec incursions are some fo the best ISK generators in the game, yet are completely risk free.
Suggestion for solution: Start by giving them the same gate rats as null/lowsec. Then, drop the security status of the incursion constelations, or just remove concord from them. |
Danika Princip
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Posted - 2014.06.24 19:42:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Null incursions deserve to die, they are a gift to alliances with huge Sov, where they can be safer than hsec incursions.
So...why does virtually nobody run them? The CFC, a coalition with upwards of 35k members, struggles to scrape up more than two VG fleets. Usually just one.
If nullsec incursions are such a gift, and are so safe, why are highsec ones (which are COMPLETELY safe) the ones that get farmed? |
Danika Princip
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Posted - 2014.06.24 22:39:00 -
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Rolstra wrote:Topher Basquette Dusch-shur wrote:
This is awesome. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE SAFE IN HIGH. PEOPLE NEED TO FACE RISK. Also, please protect me in high.
What part is Safe? Flying a 5-bil ISK ship with a flag on it? All of EVE knowing where you are and what your doing? Moving a couple ships worth at least a billion each in an Orca 50 jumps a week? Trusting others to protect your ISK? Investing all that ISK in a venture that will only pay for itself if you don't make a single mistake for 4 months of constant play? I don't think any smart Incursion runner feels safe, certainly not as safe as you seem to think they are. And this thread is about what can be done to the content to make it more accessible, not about how you think it's to safe and OP and HTFU and whaa whaa whaa. Go make a thread about how your boboo hurts and ask CCp to send you a bandaid.
uhh...none of that compares to the risk of running a nullsec or lowsec incursion. You do know that, right? |
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Posted - 2014.06.25 00:51:00 -
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It's funny because you're serious.  |
Danika Princip
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Posted - 2014.06.29 20:23:00 -
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Kodavor wrote:Plaid Rabbit wrote:Problem: Risk vs Reward for lowsec/nullsec incursions is skewed. (expanding on my earlier post) To get decent site times, you have to run very blingy fleets. But bringing blingy fleets to nullsec/lowsec is a bad idea. See http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=25505 Basically if there's a neut in local you have to safe up and not run the sites... or you have to deal with the risk of getting hotdropped like that. And they weren't even that blingy for an incursion fleet. And they still had terrible site times. Just to break even on on the losses, each pilot will need to run about 10+ hours, and that has them breaking even. Only past that will they get profit. You either run a: A cheap fleet. Your site times are twice as long. You get paid 50% more per site. So you make less isk per hour, and have more risk. And you can get camped by someone afk. b: A blingy fleet. Your site times are similar to hisec, but a bit slower because you don't have as much bling. You make ~40% more then hisec, but you've got 10b+ on field, which can be taken out by a blops fleet, and if you lose ship per incursion, any profit you make from running in a blingier is wiped out. And you can still be camped by someone afk, and you're more worried about it. Kodavor wrote:Hailooo .
I am one of the people that are responsible for the Empire Incursions turning into what they are now .
I hereby offer my years of experience and expertise to any low / Null entity that has the pilot resources and desire to put plenty of effort into following my advice and guidance for ship fittings and tactics to make the Incursions in your space as profitable as in Empire .
Best regards
ISN Management .
You appear to have missed the point rather spectacularly. |
Danika Princip
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Posted - 2014.06.30 11:34:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Plaid Rabbit wrote:
Thanks for your offer. Please give a suggestion for how to deal with a known hot-dropper showing up in local.
*sniped*
Best regards
CFC Incursions Management.
Gotta love the CFC incursion management, as well as other major blocks fearing a "hotdrop" in cyno jammed systems, because of the incursion. Now, bridging a BS/ABC/other beefy high DPS fleet to the edge of the constellation might work.
Covert cynos work in incursion systems just fine... |
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:31:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Danika Princip wrote:James Baboli wrote:Plaid Rabbit wrote:
Thanks for your offer. Please give a suggestion for how to deal with a known hot-dropper showing up in local.
*sniped*
Best regards
CFC Incursions Management.
Gotta love the CFC incursion management, as well as other major blocks fearing a "hotdrop" in cyno jammed systems, because of the incursion. Now, bridging a BS/ABC/other beefy high DPS fleet to the edge of the constellation might work. Covert cynos work in incursion systems just fine... I supposed, but I thought this was referred to as being "blops'd", not "hotdroping".
A hotdrop is a hotdrop, weather it be fifty bombers or fifty titans. Do you have an answer to Plaid's comment, or are you just going to try and score cheap points over mechanics you don't understand? |
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